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  Sci-Fi Fans Only: A.I.

  by Maximus in

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  i hear tell there are some aficionados out there.. as a young man i secretly loved ray bradbury, isaac asimov, l. sprague decamp, poul anderson, arthur c. clarke and others.

  loved brian aldiss' "super-toys last all summer.".

  when the movie "2001: a space odyssey" premiered, i sneaked into a theater all by myself, and was blown away.

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  DCs Ghost

  Afternoon Todd
  i did indeed see Dark City, I thoroughly enjoyed that film, highly visual, the photography, the story line, the fact that for the first ten minutes not a word was said yet the story was told, the aliens reminded me of Hellraiser (similar garb), it was dark and ironic, and a reality based on illusion, a definite one to own for any sci-fi addict. . .

  refresh my memory on the machines in that film, for some reason i am stuck on the telepathic and controling issues of how the aliens regulated society. . . .

  earlier you commented to Truman saying

  couldn't they just remove the imprinting chip and insert a fresh one?
  one would think with all the technology that was around that would have been a very simple option . . .
  here is the but,
  that would take away from the seriousness and commitment involved in an adoption of such and the reality of the relationship and bond created between the individual and the android

  think of it when someone tells you 'i love you' you can't take it back, though indeed you can stop loving, in time
  it creates a bond that cannot be cast aside so quickly or at least it creates a memory to the specific individual who threw that phrase your way

  i think that was the point with the list of words used to activate the love response in david, akin to the events that trigger love between 2 people, these words were random as love often tends to be. . .

  also reprogramming them would raise a handful of seperate issues if they were to be so easily replaced, almost as if to say that indeed love is so easily interchangeable

  GigJoe made a comment about how easily robots were indeed disposed of, tossed aside for whatever reason simple mistakes on the part of the droid or the mood of the owner much akin to romantic relationships between some people. . .

  David function was different than anything created prior, he was to mimick human emotion and for that reason i think that is why they couldn't just change his chip, i think that the idea was to get past the immediate gratification and make a commitment

  Take joe as an example again, he was programmed to satisfy and he knew that was his function,
  David knew his function but got lost in the emotion that he was programmed to mimic, again akin to falling in love for the first time, he gave love as his program required of him but in turn he realized that ihe wanted to feel it in return. . . .a fault of the programmers or the complexity of love???

  Joel Bear

  I walked out of the movie saying, "Is artificial love the only love that will last?"---jb

  that is an interesting observation because this leads me to think not about David but about the advanced meccha instead, who are caring for David in order to understand themselves better.
  so was their motive selfless or selfish??
  
  these beings indeed were highly in tune with the David's needs and they literally bent over backwards to satisfy his wish. . . were they programmed to seek out such answers or did their artificiality indeed evolve into something more human for lack of a better term. . . .comments please

  I felt that the movie was largely about the futility of the search for ultimate acceptance. . . . .If he was lacking, it was not his failure, but the failure of those who created and used him... ---truman

  i agree that acceptance was one of the themes underlying the film but not the core issue of the movie
  i also feel that you are on, about the lacking in his programming, he was simply a robot programmed to reciprocate one of the most complex emotions known to man

  Seeker
  the ending 2000 years later was indeed part of Stanley's vision i'll return with the link

  peace
  dc
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  Sci-Fi Fans Only: A.I.

  by Maximus in

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  i hear tell there are some aficionados out there.. as a young man i secretly loved ray bradbury, isaac asimov, l. sprague decamp, poul anderson, arthur c. clarke and others.

  loved brian aldiss' "super-toys last all summer.".

  when the movie "2001: a space odyssey" premiered, i sneaked into a theater all by myself, and was blown away.

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  DCs Ghost

  morning all,
  MAXIMUS you are right on, from what i understand and have read, indeed it was supposed to be a collaboration between the 2 directors, where Kubrik was going to be more involved in the production as opposed to direction, he did indeed want the fairy tale ending, for indeed it WAS a fairy tale, so yes it was his ending after all and not SS as many speculate, who am i to argue with a creative genius like Kubrik??
  i also have come to understand that when he was in the process of developing it he kept on calling the project pinocchio
  my only qualm with the movie was that it could have been stained more with his trademark cynicism.

  Now as far as the law of robotics that you mentioned, this is my take on the pool scene: David shortcircuited when he ate because it was internal moisture, dealing with the type of android that he was it is highly possible that the skin over the robotics was cloned skined where it would contain the same properties as real skin keeping the moisture out, :)

  Actually i did catch on, and what we were discussing after the film was that Teddy's voice was the same as (forget the compos voice in 2001??) and wasn't the astronaut also called david? that indeed was a nice touch, robin williams as Dr Know's voice ws cool too. . .The decor was very Kubrik also, it indeed was a good fusion between the two, as i am sure they spent much time discussing the film, after all SK was known for his attention to detail and perfectionism it was always about capturing that perfect moment on every frame, continuity and detail were among his trademarks

  hey Max where did you see the film???

  Seeker
  i agree with you 1000%, those alien beings indeed WERE highly advanced meccha, from the way they "resurrected" david to the way that they communicated with each other and the foreshadowing of joe about what was to become of the humans
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  as i was saying above Kubrik was all about continuity and detail, he would not throw something out from left field that would leave the audience to question such a major factor in the ending

  and that is what i was implying when i said that Spielberg had his "style" in the final result, only speculating, but Kubrik prolly would indeed have made joe much more sexual than SS did. . .

  soooo Final Fantasy this friday
  and
  Planet of the Apes the following
  with the quality of movies this summer whe may need a movie forum or simply tack these on to the art section. . .

  anyone ever catch the racial metaphors in planet of the apes???
  and the similarities to animal farm and how it might be if animals indeed organized themselves and payed us back for messing up their planet???
  cheers
  J/k

  dc
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  Sci-Fi Fans Only: A.I.

  by Maximus in

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  i hear tell there are some aficionados out there.. as a young man i secretly loved ray bradbury, isaac asimov, l. sprague decamp, poul anderson, arthur c. clarke and others.

  loved brian aldiss' "super-toys last all summer.".

  when the movie "2001: a space odyssey" premiered, i sneaked into a theater all by myself, and was blown away.

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  Sci-Fi Fans Only: A.I.

  by Maximus in

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  i hear tell there are some aficionados out there.. as a young man i secretly loved ray bradbury, isaac asimov, l. sprague decamp, poul anderson, arthur c. clarke and others.

  loved brian aldiss' "super-toys last all summer.".

  when the movie "2001: a space odyssey" premiered, i sneaked into a theater all by myself, and was blown away.

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  DCs Ghost

  what i believe is the biggest let down of the movie is the choice of director, Spielberg is more about family entertainment, though Schindler''s List and Saving Private Ryan were an exception to what he is known for, he usually focuses on sci-fi/fantasy, blockbuster hollywood--- ET, Back to the Future, Close Encounters,
  Kubrik on the other hand is more about irony and pushing buttons, a message mixed with dark humor, reality and the dark side of human nature take Eyes Wide Shut as an example, full blown obsession and jealousy. at the same time he is a perfectionist of sort, Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket, 2001, all delivered in genius style, disturbing and moving,
  
  i'm not knocking Speilberg cause i feel he is a talented and gifted director but his vision is different.

  had Kubrik been around to share his input into the film i believe we would have had a very different film, to say how he would have approached it would be to speculate, but i am sure it would not have been delivered in Spielberg style and perhaps more of the issues would have been expanded on

  peace
  dc
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  Sci-Fi Fans Only: A.I.

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hear tell there are some aficionados out there.. as a young man i secretly loved ray bradbury, isaac asimov, l. sprague decamp, poul anderson, arthur c. clarke and others.

  loved brian aldiss' "super-toys last all summer.".

  when the movie "2001: a space odyssey" premiered, i sneaked into a theater all by myself, and was blown away.

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  DCs Ghost

  If You Have Not Seen The Movie Don't Read This IS A Spoiler
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  I skipped this thread until i saw the movie cause i did not want to know much about it, nor have any opinions going in so here are my 2 cents on the movie without getting into the deep core issues that the movie provoked after we left the theater. . .

  Teddy was haunting
  Joe was slick
  The mother was an emotional crisis in the making
  David IMO was casted perfectly, no other child actor could have matched his skill,
  the kid is raw talent.
  and here is another opinion of mine. Lucas is god in my eyes, why didn't he cast Haley as young Anakin??? anyone ever wonder that??

  Ok so as to what i thought of the actual film, i was thoroughly entertained and was absorbed by it, it touched the issues raised at the beginning quite superficially but i think the movie was intended to be more on the level of a fairy tale than anything else, actually i would view it again and it definitely will be bought on dvd. . .

  As to some of the comments that i read as far,

  I would have liked to have seen more character development of GiggaloJoe though i understand he was not the focus of the film.

  I have mixed feelings about the ending,
  I feel it would have been much darker had it ended at the bottom of the sea with David wishing to the fairy, much akin to man's prayers to god, and I feel that having him sit at the bottom of the sea for eternity is the build up of the movie, this is where i would have prefered to credits to start rising.

  Patio you made an interesting reference to the bloodthirsty fanaticism of the flesh fair, i felt the same and i saw it as a metaphor for the circus that religion can be

  Now as far as the "aliens", when i sat in the theater i thought that they may be advanced Meccha, as opposed to extra terretrials, here is why. . . they were concerned with keeping David content, so as for them to continue studying him and having a link to their past and origin and further the understanding of why they where created, kind of like man wating to know his own origins and why he was created,
  they told him that he was the only one who had around who had had previous contact with humans. . .
  seems that will always be the question regardless the species, where do we come from?, there are plenty of hints throughout the film in dialogue and such that lead me to stick to this idea rather than believe the other option. . .

  The fish scene reminded me of the whale in pinocchio and having teddy pull out the hair swatch was almost predictable, SK's influence was all over the screen and at times i felt like i could sense where he would have pushed it a little further had he been in charge, a much more bleak version of pinocchio indeed
  obviously SS was in charge and he did what he did to make it family friendly a good film non-the-less but i prefer darker endings. . .

  Maximus
  in answer to your question i believe that the premise was indeed a question concerning our origins, acceptance of our fate and who we are as individuals, it is the unanswered question of ages poked at by man throughout our history. . .
  David was told numerous times throughout the movie that he was one of a kind and unique.
  he was programed to perform a function and he did it a little too well. . . .

  peace
  dc
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  You Have Got To Read This ! Comments Please?

  by Big Jim in

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  the mormons.

  jehovah's witnesses.

  are the same organisation.

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  I'm reading along on this thread and my attention was caught by the reptilian beings that control the earth

  it reminded me of the series V back in the 80's, granted that they did not physically change but the idea was there aliens/reptiles and world domination quite the blend i tell you

  and not too long ago X-files had an episode where a doctor had genetically altered himself to mutate himself into a lizard at will.

  sci-fi is only a century or so ahead of reality. . .

  so anyhows i come across Bendrr's reply and he had me going up until i read about the underground facilities, border reaching Ohio i was like damn that is nuts and i am being taken for a ride on a black unmarked chopper. . .

  speaking of, they used to hover over florida years ago, seen them many times

  dc
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  WORD ASSOCIATION

  by nicolaou in

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  need a break from the project (and just plain missing you all!).

  so who's up for a little light relief in the form of a good old game of 'word association'?.

  i'll kick us off with a word and you simply post your reply highlighting the first word you thought of - and so on and so on and so on ........ nic'.

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  DCs Ghost

  that is a classic along with Charming Man
  ok i now officially have the Smiths in my head and need to listen to them. . . . .aaarrrgggghhhhhh
  "he swore he won't, but not until the next time"

  why are they so visually stimulating????
  Vicar in a TuTu and a shy bald buddhist relecting on a mass murder. . .
  think the Moz had issues with religion???[8>]

  you said hooligan
  schoolgirls come to mind
  i know i have issues
  here we go

  ----->plaid skirt
  dc

  Barbarism Begins at home
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  WORD ASSOCIATION

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
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  need a break from the project (and just plain missing you all!).

  so who's up for a little light relief in the form of a good old game of 'word association'?.

  i'll kick us off with a word and you simply post your reply highlighting the first word you thought of - and so on and so on and so on ........ nic'.

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  DCs Ghost

  Riz
  somehow i thought i told you the microwaved carrots story
  i may have to email you. . .
  Cahoots -----> Big Red Lips

  Stephanus/MuzicMan
  sex/mother-in-law
  guess i have to add Caligula to that

  dc
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  WORD ASSOCIATION

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  need a break from the project (and just plain missing you all!).

  so who's up for a little light relief in the form of a good old game of 'word association'?.

  i'll kick us off with a word and you simply post your reply highlighting the first word you thought of - and so on and so on and so on ........ nic'.

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  DCs Ghost

  Riz said carrots

  i'd have to say microwaves

  dc
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  Organized religion, no religion, agnostic

  by cnn77 in

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  i am new here trying to figure my way around...... i would appreciate it if you could say which of these fits you..... 1. still a jw.

  2. if you dont agree with the jw doctrines any longer do you belong to another religious organization now?

  3. are still religious and have no religious affiliation.

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  DCs Ghost

  . . . .looking over the menu. . . .

  . . . i am gnostic. . . .

  dc

  "we do not see the world as it is,
  we see the world as we are. . ." Anais Nin